Learn how our grief touches the two worlds of sorrow and joy and how we can navigate these turbulent times.

My guest Dr. Sherry Walling is a clinical psychologist, speaker, podcaster, author and mental health advocate. She helps entrepreneurs and leaders navigate transition, loss, and complex human experience. Sherry is the author of Touching Two Worlds: A Guide for Finding Hope in the Landscape of Loss, a poetic exploration of grief informed by two very personal losses in her own life. She discusses the presence of both sorrow and joy within grief and how her own life has been reshaped by the grief she has experienced. Learn more at her websites:
This episode includes:
- What inspired Sherry to write this book
- The experience of compound grief and “death by heartbreak”
- The “two worlds” of grief
- How grief changes us and why it’s important
- How Sherry’s two grief experiences differed – after cancer and after suicide
- The guilt experienced by medical professionals when a loved one dies
- Coping with a suicide death
- Parenting children while going through grief and teaching them about loss
- How various forms of movement can help us with grief
- The art of crying on airplanes
- Grief requires us to rewrite our assumptions about the world
Links mentioned in this episode:
- Learn more and sign up for Grief Coach ($10 discount for 1 year)
- Sherry’s aerial video
- Book: The Body Keeps the Score by Bessel Van Der Kolk MD
- Book: When the Body Says No by Gabor Maté MD
- Book: Shattered Assumptions by Ronnie Janoff-Bulman
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